Darthspudious, that's what I use now, but I don't know, I just can't get used to it. Just feels wrong to me. We are buying a small desk for our living room this weekend, so I'll probably use a good old fashioned mouse for my older games.(haven't been able to, no room on lap desk.) when I was growing up, we never had a computer, we always had consoles about 5 years behind. So playing 3rd person and other 3d games with a mouse and keyboard is just bizarre in my mind. More power to those who can rock it though.